Why is there pain in the world? Why does a good God let suffering happen? Why is there no answer to my prayers? Does God hear me?
These questions are not new.
Every culture throughout time has asked them. I asked them. I saw atrocities and injustices and heard of
worse. I questioned God, about His
existence, for why all the pain, and for why prayer does not work like I was
told it should work.
Two of the questions were answered through prayer,
immediately. I simply asked God if He
existed. He answered, “Yes.” It was as clear as if someone next to me
spoke, and I sang for a week. I knew
that some prayers were answered. But that
did not end my quest. I needed rational
answers. I kept asking.
I do not believe in the goody-goody God described by some. I do not believe He is so perfect that He
hides from sin in some far away heaven.
If God is everywhere, then He is everywhere. He is with everyone, not just the good
guys. That means He is with the worst
murderers, rapists, and hypocritical church leaders while they plan and enact
evil. And… He let each one continue in
their evil without stopping them. This
theology is biblical. He let nations get
horrible before He sent in other humans to annihilate them.
But, that does not answer the question of, “Why pain?”
The Bible describes God with feelings. Some say the writers anthropomorphized God. Some say this was Jesus. I believe God feels. Being everywhere means God feels every
person’s pain. He has been with every
victim of every crime. Not one of them
suffered or died alone. He shared their
pain, and ours.
God took responsibility for all that pain. He made covenant with Abraham (Gen 15) but
instead of letting Abraham pay the price for his children’s eventual sins, God
accepted responsibility for those transgressions. In doing so, He accepted the sins of the
entire lineage of Adam, including those yet unborn. God, as Jesus, consented to physical life and
physical death to show us how close He is to our suffering. He knows it all. Not one evil deed goes unnoticed.
But, that does not answer the question of, “Why pain?”
Most prayers are petty.
Humans are generally petty. But
even a contrite prayer about “impending doom” can be petty in contrast to
someone else’s troubles. I think God
sees our petitions as if we are small children.
We want what we want when we want it.
NOW !
Yet, throwing a tantrum or “praying hard” does not get us what we want. After a while, if we don’t get what we want,
we think bad things about God. He does
not answer prayers. He can’t answer
prayers. He is mad at me. He hates me.
He’s not good. However, saying,
“No,” to a child is often the best answer.
They don’t understand why, may never understand why, but it is the best
answer.
God does not give signs and wonders to those who simply want
to be impressed. Prayer is not about
getting stuff. It is not a magic wand to
flick for miracles. Prayer can make us
feel better if we pray often. That is
because we are communicating our troubles and worries instead of bottling them
up inside. God helps us work through
problems and often see our own selfishness as a barrier to a solution. If we became upset with God, we stop
communicating. Not surprising, the
benefit of communication leaves and all those troubles and worries stay within. That does not mean God did not hear and feel
your frustration and distress. It simply
means we need a way to release them, to grow past them.
A lot of pain originates with humans. We as a society inflict it upon ourselves,
and then expect God to fix our troubles.
Good people do not stand up to evil people who continue to spread their
evil. Instead of stopping the evil
early, we let it endure until we must go to war to stop such things from continuing. There, people die or are wounded physically. All are wounded psychologically. Wars happen globally. Wars happen in families. Consequences are real. Churches are not immune. Atheists are not immune.
My belief for why God does not stop these from happening is
that the good people were supposed to act but did not. Leaders were supposed to teach goodness, but
the power hungry became the leaders and they preferred ritual and dogma that
hid evil. Leaders were to teach inner
healing, but did not befriend those who bled.
A community’s morality and ethics can become so distorted they call good
evil and evil good. God went through all
that pain with all those people, because we were not willing to step up early
to fix our mess or help our neighbor.
But that does not answers the question of, “Why would a good
God create a world with so much pain in the first place?”
The book of Job addresses that issue. His friends preferred to hunt for something
to blame. At the end, God rejects their
reasons. However, God’s response to the
question of, “Why?” is strange. The
short answer is, “Because, that is how I made the world.”
That answer frustrated me for a long time. But the answer is there. We don’t understand because our teaching is
distorted. Biblically, God did not
create a perfect world. Nor did Adam’s
sin corrupt a perfect world. Those
dogmatic concepts are not in the Bible. Our
forefathers preferred to blame Satan or sin.
These beliefs were added because we do not comprehend why God’s creation
included earthquakes, high wind, and so many creatures that harm and kill. We can’t accept that God’s creation allowed
for mutations that turn into cancers and kill young children. But, God called all His creation “Very Good.”
We want to scream “God did it wrong! A good God would never have done it that
way!”
But what if all those frightening and deadly things are good
for something. Volcanoes, earthquakes,
and tsunamis are good. Plate tectonics
makes earth a living world capable of making continents and shallow
oceans. Mutation kills some individuals,
but it also helps sculpt life forms into an array of variation. Bacteria infect too often, but they are used
to make medicine, bread, and wine.
Maybe, to get to the really good stuff, one must go through hell.
God asked us from the beginning to be good. That one thing would alleviate so much
suffering. He asked us to understand the
good in the earth and the good in the plants and animals. Understanding these would let us anticipate
the dangers and utilize the resources.
Humans keep resisting these. We
do things the hard way because that is how we always did it. Maybe, just maybe, God does not answer every
prayer, because He wants us to grow up and learn to understand why He said, “No.”
"Biblically, God did not create a perfect world. Nor did Adam’s sin corrupt a perfect world. Those dogmatic concepts are not in the Bible."
ReplyDeleteJo, look again. Genesis 1:31 "God saw everything that He had made, and behold, it was very good." (No sin, no death yet.) God told Adam he would surely die if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Death, physical and spiritual, was a consequence of Adam's sin. This is clearly stated in Genesis. In case you missed it, God clarifies that part of the curse was physical death. "Dust thou art and to dust shalt thou return." How can you honestly deny this? How can you brazenly lie about what is in scripture? Romans 5:12 " By one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men." Only through the sacrifice of Christ is our sin taken away. Romans 5:8 " God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us, Much more than, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him." The whole purpose of the cross of Christ was to take away the curse of sin, given by God Himself. Read all of Isaiah 53. It describes what Christ's sacrifice did for us. "The LORD hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all." Next read Romans Chapter 2. God does not apologize for His judgment. Romans 2:8 "Unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation, and wrath, tribulation and anguish..." Jo you are deliberately denying the truth of the Bible. You twist and distort the Word. You have been warned repeatedly. Galatians 3:13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us." He was punished that we might be forgiven. Simple. Clearly stated in scripture.
I've watched this discussion for a while. I would suggest, S. Armke, that you look at Matthew 10. Others may listen to you. Jo has done a tremendous amount of research and has set out very real arguments. You disagree, but you you are talking on different planes of understanding. Do not concern yourself. Neither you nor Jo will convince the other, and there is no reason to continue butting heads. You have made your point. Go in peace, read someone else's blog with whose position you already agree, and know you have made your position known to Jo's readers.
DeleteI will reply again to your condemnation. Why I try again, I don’t know. You do not listen and refuse to see.
ReplyDeleteGenesis 1:31 does not say what you want it to say. You insist on a perfect creation thus ASSUME no sin and no death yet. When does the Bible ever claim “very good” a synonym of “perfect, without sin and death?” God’s creation is NOT called perfect anywhere in the Bible, yet this is your dogmatic starting place.
God did not tell Adam that he would “surely die.” That is traditional interpretation of the text based on a perfectionistic belief already held. Today’s biblical translators would like to correct that but are not allowed to translate it correctly because the publishers are afraid of people like you throwing a fit and not selling their books. That is a fact. The literal translation is “dieing you will die” which I believe is the death of the sprit at physical death, which is hinted at throughout the OT and stated bluntly in the NT. The Bible never discusses the concept of an immortal Adam or his sudden mortality. Yet, you insist I must believe it dogmatically.
God never called physical death a curse in the Bible. Dust to dust is simply a statement of fact to emphasize a future of hard work that is the main topic. Your traditional interpretations are based on the false doctrine of a perfect creation, which is based on Greek philosophy not Hebrew. The texts do not say what you want them to say.
I have given you a long response on Romans 5:12. My thoughts have not changed. It does not mention a perfect creation or an immortal Adam. The death Paul wrote of was in line with the subject of the letter, spiritual death. All humans come from Adam thus we have a soul/spirit. His was the first to die because of the choices he made. We inherit the free will to “choose” that same death.
Why do you keep insisting that I do not believe in sacrificial death of Jesus to cover and saved us from the curse of sin? Yet, I kept saying I DO believe that Jesus saved us. You insist that I don’t. You keep insisting that I don’t. Your theology is so twisted up in condemnation from Adam that you condemn without cause. You reject anything I say on the subject because I don’t believe you on other topics.
You say I miss things. Often, but not on this topic.
You say I deliberately deign the truth of the Bible. I have replied to every one of your condemnations. Yet you offer nothing that proves your unbiblical beliefs are true or give reason to hold them dogmatically. You only offer the same interpretation again and again, which starts with the unbiblical assumption that God’s creation could not include physical death.
You say I am brazenly lying, that I twist and distort the Word. That is just rude. I am trying to untwist the distortion forced upon us by unbiblical beliefs. You do not want to see or listen. You choose to believe your tradition is a fact. It is not.